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Nokia continues to FINISH OFF MeeGo, Symbian and ITSELF

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PostPosted: Wednesday, 07.Dec.2016 19:59    Post subject:   Reply with quote   

I'll be really curious to see how many people will pay extra just for the branding.

Also, people remembered Nokia as a maker of very sturdy devices. If these Chinese phones turn out to be average in terms of build quality and robustness, it may quickly kill the nostalgy.
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PostPosted: Wednesday, 15.Feb.2017 12:26    Post subject:   Reply with quote   

Nokia resurrect the old Nokia 3310 again. I don't know if this is good idea. This phone against cheap Chinese Android phones in world where you assume you can surf the net on the phone.

It sounds they are trying to resurrect the former glory days with a phone that is today completely obsolete. If they choose the exact same phone that is.

Then possibly you can add a larger screen but then the phone becomes significantly larger.
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PostPosted: Wednesday, 15.Feb.2017 16:19    Post subject:   Reply with quote   

If I saw a 17 years old phone being sold again, I'd laugh out loud to be honest, maybe buy one just for the lulz.
Wait, they're actually doing it? That's not a dumb idea from the depths of your brain? Shocked
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PostPosted: Wednesday, 15.Feb.2017 21:01    Post subject:   Reply with quote   

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It sounds they are trying to resurrect the former glory days

I can't see how they could offer the original 3310's durability and sturdiness for a price that now people are now used to be paying for a cheap Chinese sh*t that totally wears out and breaks not later than the day warranty runs out. It takes a completely different manufacturing process and part quality, so it costs money.

Indeed, there are people who miss a very simple phone like the 3310, but mainly because of their nostalgy for its durability and sturdiness. Give them something that will break if you squeeze it a little bit too tight and their whole nostalgy will vanish.

So I'm afraid that either this phone will have to cost as much as smartphones (which I'm afraid not many people will want to pay) or it'll be a fragile piece of **** that will quickly kill the myth.
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PostPosted: Wednesday, 29.Mar.2017 19:52    Post subject:   Reply with quote   

I find it particularly disappointing that in the US (and globally, but just a little more slowly I think), the network owners are turning off the old "2G" GSM/GPRS networks. This means most of the sturdy old phones, still very useful for making calls, texting and possibly even email, become useless. All to support more "4G" and "5G" bandwidth. To better support smartphones used mostly as entertainment devices, not tools to actually get something accomplished. Here in the US, I can still use my Nokia E7-00 because it can access the "3G" and "3.5G" bands, on both AT&T and T-Mobile. My Nokia N900 no longer works on AT&T ("2.5G" "EDGE" bands are no longer accessible) so only works on T-Mobile, and that only for another year or so until T-Mobile also turns off their slower bands. All my even older Nokia phones have no network to connect to. It's really sad not being able to use my old 9300. But then, modern email security protocols had already killed its email capability, so it had already become useless for a core function. Even though it is built like a brick and could probably survive many more years of daily use. In a consuming-driven economy, making perfectly useful products obsolete is supposed to be "progress". It's not just nostalgia that creates wishful thinking about old technology, but also the sense that as consumers we are like children being told what we can and cannot accept as useful and satisfying to our needs and wants, instead of being in charge of our technological choices.
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PostPosted: Friday, 07.Apr.2017 16:36    Post subject:   Reply with quote   

I wonder what the difference is between a smartphone as an 'entertainment' device and one that is a 'productivity' device when it comes to network connectivity?

It sounds like there is a difference between 'productive' smartphones on EDGE and 'entertainment' smartphones on LTE, where the first ones are to get things done. I am afraid I have to disagree a bit here.

First things first: GSM were launched in 1993 (Sweden for example) and UMTS came around in 2003. GPRS/EDGE is old technologies with no particular benefit for a smartphone. *If* LTE had been available in 2001 when the Nokia 9210 Communicator were designed - it would have been equipped with such a radio.

It isn't the first time an old technology gets switched off - NMT450/900 and AMPS networks were shut down due to them being replaced by more sophisticated solutions. Shutting down 2G networks make sense when UMTS rolled out in... 2003 (14 years ago) and LTE arrived in devices in 2011 (6 years ago).

I wouldn't exactly consider the 2G radio in the Nokia 9000->9500 to be their best asset. They are still great devices but their cellular connectivity wasn't exactly a product of 'being enough for productivity' but rather a pure necessity since it is what was available at the time. Nokia *would* have put fast cellular connections in *if* they had been available.

It is possible to discuss consumerism but shutting down 2G networks isn't exactly the best example. I would also say that compatibility with smartphones made 15 years ago isn't the most important consideration. I would also say that the development of mobile connection speeds will eventually 'slow down' when the technology is able to deliver constant speeds of several hundred MBs per second - not like the situation back in 2001 when HSCSD and GPRS were the hottest technologies - with speeds approximately in the same league as a 56K modem (or lower).

One thing is for sure: Technology is progressing and the development is moving ahead. Keeping old networks 'just because' when new, faster and more efficient technologies are available. I think it is an issue that no new Communicator has been made after the N900/N950 (if we count them as Communicators) but it still doesn't make it 'negative consumerism' to shut down GSM networks from A. D. 1993.

Another simple question is: If it is 'negative consumerism' to shut down GSM, then what kind of technologies should we keep? Is it 'consumerism' when new technology are introduced? What replacement cycles are appropriate? There are a lot of questions.
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