My-Symbian ~ My-Maemo ~ My-MeeGo

[pierro78]

Thanks again for your answers Michal !

Some other questions :

- free memory after boot ?
- did you have a chance to try Nokia Maps on it ? if yes how was it ?
- did you have a chance to try the Tear Webkit browser ( http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=28539&highlight=webkit ) on it ? if yes how was it ?

Thanks again !!

[My-Symbian]

[Tom J]

Now you've had a while to play with it, and I assume there's been some pretty intense playing, what's the battery life like?

[Guse]

Tom J wrote:

Now you've had a while to play with it, and I assume there's been some pretty intense playing, what's the battery life like?

My device have a little bit newer firmware than Michal's. The battery life was in the beginning about 8 hours and now it's 12-13 hours.

I have wlan on continuously and browse quite a lot and play videos and use gps. It's quite good result of test device in this stage. Much better than for E75 in the same development stage. I'm sure that the specifications tell the truth of battery usage times.

[ceroberts75]

isnt it the same battery as the 5800 xpressmusic? that would be some great battery life!

[My-Symbian]

[Guse]

pierro78 wrote:

Thanks again for your answers Michal ! Some other questions : - free memory after boot ? - did you have a chance to try Nokia Maps on it ? if yes how was it ? - did you have a chance to try the Tear Webkit browser ( http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=28539&highlight=webkit ) on it ? if yes how was it ? Thanks again !!

My answers
- Free memory 58,2 MB (all possible available N900 software installed)
- I have Nokia Maps and it's quite good, but voice navigation is lacking. GPS is pretty fast and accurate.
- No possibility to use Tear

[Guse]

ceroberts75 wrote:

isnt it the same battery as the 5800 xpressmusic? that would be some great battery life!

Yes the battery is the same BL 5J

[kalim13]

Michal,

do you see the lack of Java being a hinderance? i'm trying to understand why Nokia always seem to give something but take something away at the same time(Unless the new E series communicator will include Java to re-establish it as the premium phone it is marketed as)

[Zmurphen]

Are there keyboard shurtcuts for Page Up/Down/Right/Left when browsing the web?

[jcompagner]

kalim13 wrote:

Michal, do you see the lack of Java being a hinderance? i'm trying to understand why Nokia always seem to give something but take something away at the same time(Unless the new E series communicator will include Java to re-establish it as the premium phone it is marketed as)

i think nokia didnt want to have yet another type of interface.

Because if they would give java on the N900 (which i do find also a bit pity because i am a java developer my self). Which java do they give on such a machine? Because it is just linux the normal JRE ?
But then you have to program it in swing ui lib? That would not really fit into the N900.

So i guess they have to create a Java ME edition for that phone with there own ui that maps on the N900 native code..

all in all i can understand why nokia doesnt have it right now..

What i do find a pity is that when i want to develop for the N900 (what i will look into) i seem to need to do this under linux. So i need to construct a vm for this or something like that.

And that is by biggest point. I really hope that developing for the N900 will be something like click on a setup.exe -> next -> next -> finish
Launch the program, import hello world example -> run it in an emulator (or directly on the phone)

But i am afraid that will not happen

[jcompagner]

ceroberts75 wrote:

isnt it the same battery as the 5800 xpressmusic? that would be some great battery life!

i rather would have it the same as in the E90.. (or more)
thats a 1500..

[Michal Jerz]

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- free memory after boot ?

Free RAM is some 50-60 MB, but it's a proto build so memory consumption isn't optimized yet (power and memory are usually the last things to optimize after everything else has been done). Moreover, the N900 has a virtual (swap) memory so it looks different than on Symbian OS devices. When the OS needs more memory than currently available, it additionally uses the virtual memory, so it is unlikely to ever see "No memory" errors.

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- did you have a chance to try Nokia Maps on it ? if yes how was it ?

As a moving map, it's really nice thanks to the huge display. But it currently lacks advanced navigation functionality. As Guse wrote, there is no voice navigation at the moment. Hopefully this will be added before the device starts shipping. Regarding the GPS receiver, it is really fast (gets fix in less than half a minute) and accurate.

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- did you have a chance to try the Tear Webkit browser

It did not work. Maybe a Maemo 5 version will be made soon. However, it's not a big issue as the built-in MicroB browser is really OK...

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Now you've had a while to play with it, and I assume there's been some pretty intense playing, what's the battery life like?

As I wrote, battery life isn't great at the moment, but it's really hard to judge based on such an early proto I have. Next week I'll send it for an update and then I'll see if it gets better. The biggest power eater at the moment seems to be the GSM radio, so it needs some optimizations.

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Yes the battery is the same BL 5J

Yes, the battery is the same as in the 5800 XpressMusic. I even use them interachangeably. I too wish it had a bigger battery, but let's wait and see, maybe it'll be enough if newer firmwares will get some optimizations.

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do you see the lack of Java being a hinderance? i'm trying to understand why Nokia always seem to give something but take something away at the same time(Unless the new E series communicator will include Java to re-establish it as the premium phone it is marketed as)

Well, of course, Java support would be nice. But it's actually not true that Nokia took it away. Previous Internet Tablets didn't have Java, either. So it looks that Nokia simply does not have Java for Maemo. Maybe they'll add it later. But even if they don't, in case of Linux it should not be a huge problem as I'm sure there will be plenty of software, anyway. Python is available for Maemo, so maybe Nokia wants to focus on Python... Besides, it's also possible that someone else will port Java to the N900, e.g. based on the Jalimo project....

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Are there keyboard shurtcuts for Page Up/Down/Right/Left when browsing the web?

I was able to find the following shortcuts:
- Ctrl+N - new window
- Ctrl+B - bookmarks
- Ctrl+A - select all
- Ctrl+C - copy
- Ctrl+V - paste (to a text field)
- Ctrl+X - cut (from a text field)
- Ctrl+S - save file (selectable: complete web page or HTML only)
- Ctrl+D - Add address (to bookmarks, shortcut to desktop, subscribe to feeds)
- Ctrl+F - Find
- Ctrl+R - reload page
- Ctrl+O - Open offline file in the browser

Regarding PgUp/PgDown, while shortly pressing the arrow keys scrolls a page by a line of text or so, pressing them a bit longer scrolls by several lines (or maybe a paragraph) and pressing them even longer scrolls by half a page or so, etc. So, after you get used to it, you can do a PageUp/Down just by pressing and holding the arrow keys. Also, swiping your finger from up to bottom (and vice versa) seems to be scrolling the contents by a page.

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What i do find a pity is that when i want to develop for the N900 (what i will look into) i seem to need to do this under linux. So i need to construct a vm for this or something like that.

Should be relatively easy to set up a development environment for it, e.g. with the freeware VMWare player and a free, available for download disk image for it with the SDK and everything else installed and ready to use.

[flamingsnot]

Looking good so far!

[openmitko]

Special thanks to Michal and Guse for sharing with us their experience with N900 and Maemo 5.
I have a question about the audio capabilities of N900. Is the sound through the headphones good enough (enough strength, bass, etc.)? Can it be used for listening to music?

All information around the sound system will be highly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

[flamingsnot]

Welcome to the forums openmitko,

[zkyevolved]

Question 1!: While listening to music, do notifications go through the headphones or do they blast out of the speaker like Android (boooo for Android!).

Question 2!: Does the default mail client have imap idle protocol for "push" gmail?

Question 3!: Do you experience random disconnects through gtalk chat?

Thanks in advance I'm REALLY Looking forward to this device :$....